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Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by CitrusHigh » May 31st, 2011, 1:28 am

Ok, so I've been eating raw animal foods for 3 years now, arrived there after conventional poiso- oops I mean meadicine, couldn't adequately address my health issues. So I began digging and said F the doctors they are a bunch of fools. And so it was, turned out to be true, and I discovered a whole lot more than I bargained for along the way. First I went to whole foods (or so I thought) Then I really got in to whole foods, and organics, and sustainable. Then got in to pastured meats and raw milk. Then finally took it a step further to raw animal foods from pastured animals and wild game. If you can think of it (animals I mean) I've probably eaten it raw. Rattlesnake guts, cow, pig, chicken, duck, pheasant, deer, crab, oyster, turkey, lobster, shrimp, fish, etc...

The long and short is that not only will these things not kill you or make you violently ill, they are actually life giving and it is the cooked counterparts along with the other vectors of toxins in our civilized life (processed foods, cooked food, chemicals, radiation, stress, drugs, alcohol, etc) And what it boils down to is microbes and parasites = good, toxins = bad. I dismissed this the first time I was introduced to it, but then the more I thought about it the more it made sense (we are the only creatures who cook our food and the only ones that experience degenerative disease with the exception of animals who also live such mutant lifestyles as we do).

I will be happy to answer questions, and you can feel free to be skeptical, but please think about it, really really think about it. Think about everything you were taught as a child and think about how much of it turned out to be bullshit and then map that on to this.

I will be happy to answer questions and please feel free to poke holes in the theory, it is sound, and it is objective truth, it is just the way life is, without human agenda.

Thanks!

And I love you all so much!



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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by I AM ALL I AM » May 31st, 2011, 10:31 am

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G'day CitrusHigh. :wave (TH)

I couldn't agree more about the medical mafia and the poisons they push as 'medicine'. (TU)

I actually eat a fair bit of raw food, mainly fruits, nuts, etc. I have no issue with cooked food (eating some pea soup at the moment (W) ). I have my own philosophy about nourishing the physicality. I look to gain energy from the elements, as in, air to breathe, water to drink, fire to heat (such as the sun and cooking food, heating water), earth to eat from (anything that grows from the earth) and spirit to communicate.

So I don't actually eat any meat. There's a few other reasons that support my stance on it, such as the intestinal tract is not the same as carnivores, it's shorter in length, as with herbivores. I haven't eaten any meat for around 12 years now, although I used to eat it on a daily basis. I haven't taken any supplements, such as B12, etc, it's unnecessary as plants provide everything that the physicality requires for nutrients, minerals, etc.

I had already started to change the way I fed the physicality while training in martial arts, though it was a back incident that got me into making the complete change to the way I feed the physicality now.

What inspired you to change the way that you used to eat to the way that you eat now ?

Was it simply a culmination of the information that you found, or was there some other catalyst that brought about the change ?


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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by CitrusHigh » May 31st, 2011, 8:04 pm

g'day to you as well I AM All I AM!

Hope this day finds you as sunny as it is finding me! Or rainy if that's your inclination! :cool2011

I can see why you would think that about the intestinal track, but perhaps you're mapping cooked meat on to the digestion process, which takes a looooong time because of the cauterized fats and denatured proteins, whereas raw meat is disassembled and metabolized extremely fats (we're talking a couple hours!) Also herbivores have several stomach compartments, or gizzards to process vegetation. We have teeth and we're best labeled true omnivores, but perhaps with heavier leanings in certain directions. Some of us require more plants than others, but IMHO pretty much everyone thrives on raw meat.

Also I like to model on success, and the healthiest most robust people on the planet were hunter gatherers, virtually none of which thrived on vegetable diets, and the few who did, had a few extremely rich sources of animal foods. Hunter gatherers also had beutifully formed, often white teeth, excellent bone density, nearly zero degenerative disease and gave birth relatively easily. To further prove this point, when these people switch on to the modern diets of refined sugars and flours, they begin to develop allthe diseases that are epidemic in western civilizations (cancer, heart disease, diabetes, acne, basically every malady you can think of) (there are other reasons of course, like inviting disease in to your life with your thoughts and beliefs, but that can also go hand in hand with the other vectors)

Eskimos, who live on mainly raw and cooked animal fats have the largest brain sizes of anyone. Raw veggies are wonderful, and raw fruits are great, but they can only clean you out, raw meats will build you up, and prevent microbes from getting out of balance, but they can't clean you out the way raw veggies do.

I also eat some cooked because I eat for reasons other than health, like socializing and aesthetics, but I do so knowing that I'm feeding my spirit, but not healthfully feeding my body.

I just read and article about biophotons and how we can use sunlight directly. Interesting stuff, but science hasn't gotten too far with bioemissions yet.

As for what brought me to raw animal foods. Well I was trying to figure out how to cure some terribly cystic acne, fatigue and unbenknownst to me, depression. The infections were painful, embarassing and unsightly and would linger for weeks and in some cases, months. It turned out to be sugar that was the biggest culprit, but along the way I came across the weston A price foundation based on the work of Dr. Price, and when I read his book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, or enough of it to get the point, I realized that animal foods were not only not unhealthy, but absolutely crucial for tooth and bone (and the rest of you) health. With the caveat that the animals had to be eating THEIR natural diet. Meaning pasture for ruminants (cows, goats, deer, etc), a variety, including meats for chickens and pigs, and so on. Raising cows on grains, or chickens and pigs on only grains (or worse!), means that the nutrient profile of their meat is completely fucked. Basically you have to do things nature's way or it gets all fucked out of whack and causes problems down the line. That's why permaculture is so important, it all starts with the soil, then the vegetation, then the primary consumers, then the secondaries (like us!). (microbes also fit in there, but they are crucial all the way from the soil to the secondaries and back again, which is why they are helpers that we should be worshipping everyday, instead of waging a genocidal battle against them!).

Anyway, i gotsa run, but I'd like to keep this discussion going as far as we can take it, while keeping it civil! I hope to launch a business soon helping people to convert over to raw animal foods (it is the true cure for cancer and all those other maladies, including HIV and so on).

Cheers to all, I love you soooo much!



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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by UG » May 31st, 2011, 8:41 pm

I have nothing to add but a good thread over at webanarchy that's worth reading.

http://webanarchy.net/v3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8854

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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by I AM ALL I AM » June 1st, 2011, 5:45 am

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We've previously run an expose on the Weston Price Foundation which shows how its founder actually recommended a vegetarian diet as the healthiest, and not the meat-heavy diet the Foundation recommends today. To read that article, click here. Following are a series from Dr. Fuhrman's newsletter.

Deadly Dietary Myths
Premature death is too high a price to pay for bad advice!


by Joel Fuhrman MD

This series of articles is devoted entirely to debunking some of today's most popular - and potentially most dangerous - diet and nutrition myths. In previous newsletters, and in my book Eat to Live, I have warned readers about adopting fad diets such as The Atkins Diet, The Zone Diet, and Eat For your Blood Type because the scientific data is so clear about the fact that eating more that a few small portions of animal products each week is associated with a host of serious diseases.

Conclusive scientific warnings notwithstanding, people continue to flock to diets like these because a) they reinforce existing bad habits, and b)numerous organizations encourage this behavior. One of the more influential organizations is the Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF).

The Weston A. Price Foundation is named in honor of a Cleveland dentist, author of the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. In the 1930s, upon observing that a large number of his patients had poor dental health, Dr. Price traveled to remote regions of the world and found that people in those areas who were still eating diets consisting of unprocessed foods had healthier teeth than his patients, who were eating large amounts of processed foods. He concluded that poor dental health was the result of nutritional deficiencies.

WAPF is a relatively small non-profit with a modest budget, but its leaders and members have been very effective in advocating a meat-centered diet, with lots of butter and whole, raw milk. Unfortunately, although some of its recommendations are laudable (such as the admonition to avoid highly processed foods, and the warning that most popular vegetarian and vegan diets are not ideal), many others are entirely out of step with modern nutritional science.

They promote a range of irresponsible and potentially dangerous ideas, including:

* Butter and butter oil are our "super foods" which contain the "X factor", discovered by Weston Price.
* Glandular Organ Extracts - to promote health and healing of the corresponding organ.
* Poached brains of animals should be added to other ground meats for better nutrition
* Raw cows milk and meat broth should be fed to newborns who don't breast feed, rather than infant formula.
* Regular ingestion of clay (Azolimite Mineral Powder) because the clay particles remove pathogens from the body.
* There are benefits of feeding sea salt to infants and babies
* Fruits and vegetables should be limited in children's diets.

There are plenty of organizations offering woefully out-of-date and inaccurate dietary advice, so I do not want to give the impression that WAPF Is alone in this regard. But there is limited space in a single newsletter, and a review of some of the WAPF recommendations offers an opportunity to point out examples of nutritional misinformation readily available in books and on the Internet.

How to feed your baby

WAPF advocates a severely deficient and dangerous diet for infants and children that has the potential to cause a lifetime of medical problems, reduced brain function, and an early death from cancer.

Infants have their best chance of developing normally when they consume breast milk from well-fed mothers. But contrary to a plethora of scientific studies indicating that breast milk should be the only food for the first six months, Sally Fellon, founder and president of WAPF and coauthor (with Mary Enig) of the book Nourishing Traditions says that pureed meat (including organ meats) is an excellent early food for babies.

What does WAPF recommend?

One WAPF baby formula mixes cow's milk with heavy cream and other oils, while another is made from cow's liver, beef broth, whey powder, and various oils.

It is well established in the scientific literature that a diet high in saturated fats and low in fruits and vegetables in early childhood is the leading cause of adult cancers. Infants fed cow's milk instead of breast milk or formula do not get sufficient iron, vitamin C, linoleic acid, or vitamin E, and take in excessive amounts of sodium, potassium, and protein, which can lead to dehydration and kidney damage. For many years, the American Academy of Pediatricians has warned against the use of any whole cow's milk during the first year of life after it was found that infants given cow's milk developed iron deficiency and occult (silent) bleeding of the digestive tract.1 The resultant iron deficiency seen in children raised on cow's milk in early childhood leads to long-term changes in behavior and loss of intelligence that can not be reversed even with correction of the iron deficiency later on in life.2 In other words, permanent brain damage can occur from the feeding of whole cow's milk to babies.

Good intentions gone awry

How can an organization offer nutritional advice so out of step with the world's scientific literature? Part of the blame can be placed at the feet of those who remain loyal to some of the original observations pf Weston Price rather than his original intent.

When Dr. Price traveled to remote areas, his intent was to find healthful solutions for his dental patients. When we look back with 70 years of scientific hindsight, we can see that his examinations and conclusions were flawed. When he touted the health of primitive peoples, he was not aware of their short life expectancy and high rates of infant mortality, endemic diseases, and infection.

It can be argued that few scientific researchers in the 1930s would have understood the complexity of multi factorial causation of health, disease, and longevity, and Price should not be held to today's higher standards. But the same cannot be said for his followers today. To advocate eating a diet high in saturated fat is to ignore all of the nutritional research-especially of the past 40 years-that links this diet to shorter life spans and higher rates of heart disease and cancer is unconscionable.

References:
1. Kazal LA. Prevention of iron defiency in infants and toddlers. Am Fam Physician 2002, 66(7):1217-24.
2. Beard JL, Conner JR. Iron status and neural functioning. Annu Rev Nutr 2003; 23:41-58



Nutritional Facts and Fiction
Fanciful folklore is no match for modern science!


The Weston A. Price website states that "people with high cholesterol
live the longest," and that it is a myth that "for good health, serum cholesterol should be less than 180 mg/dl," adding, "There is no greater risk for heart disease, even at levels as high as 1,000 mg/dl." This doesn't jibe with every respected scientific authority in the world and is utterly ridiculous in light of thousands of respectable studies.

WAPF correctly points out that processed foods, sugar, corn syrup, and white flour are harmful, but nutritional deficiencies caused by "junk foods" are not remedied by a diet high in meat and butter, animal products that are devoid of plant-derived photonutrients, which promote health and slow the "aging" process. By contrast, the saturated fat in meat and butter raises cholesterol and is one of the significant causes of heart disease.Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fellon and Mary Enig, is a smorgasbord of woefully outdated and potentially dangerous advice. For example, "If you cannot get your family to eat organ meats when served as such, there are plenty of ways to add them to their food without their knowledge... Poached brains can be chopped up and added to any ground meat dish, as can grated raw liver." Even if it were not so clearly known that animal products in general need to be strictly limited in the diet, common sense should tell us not to eat the brains of animals in light of what is known about Mad Cow disease and its human equivalent, Creutzfeld-Jakob disease.

Nourishing Traditions is full of bad science and illogical reasoning, and its appeal is dependent on people's ignorance about nutrition. Fallon and Enig perpetuate long-held nutritional myths by referencing the same people who started the myths in the first place.

Nutrition is a complicated subject, and it takes familiarity with a comprehensive body of scientific studies and articles to devise recommendations to prevent disease and promote longevity. Science is not perfect, but evidence builds on prior studies, and ongoing research attempts to test each hypothesis and check validity in an unbiased manner. Today, we have a comprehensive body of knowledge with over 15,000 articles written since the 1950s documenting the link between a diet high in saturated fat and low in fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, vegetables, and beans and the increased risk of cancer and heart disease.

While Nourishing Traditions has over 200 references, many are antiquated, with poor observations. For the most part, the authors reference their own articles and those of other Weston A. Price Foundation authors. Only fourteen of the references are from peer-reviewed journals published in the last ten years, and for most of those fourteen, the authors misrepresented what was stated in the articles. By contract, my book Eat to Live contains over 1,000 medical references to peer-reviewed medical journals. (For the abstracts of some of the most respected references of modern nutritional science go to Dr. Fuhrman's website, drfuhrman.com for his article "Saturated Fat, Heart Disease, and Cancer" in Dr. Fuhrman's Healthy Times, July 2006)



Do-It-Yourself Metabolics for Meat Eaters
Why use good science to help design your diet when a handy $59 Internet questionnaire is available!


Honorary Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF) board member and Internet health guru Joe Mercola, D.O, became the most public member of the WAPF contingency after the previous guru Stephen Byrnes died of a stroke at the age of 45.

Dr. Mercola claims that consuming pasteurized milk (instead of raw milk) causes autism, and that coconut oil kills viruses and is the secret to weight loss, detoxification, and the reversal of heart disease. (And he has been reprimanded by the FDA to cease making these fraudulent health claims about this coconut oil and another "health" product-chlorella.

Mercola's website advocates that people fill out a detailed questionnaire (which costs $59) to help him determine which of these "types" they fall into. Instead of using blood type, eye color, shoe size, date of birth of your first born, or other silliness that alternative health entrepreneurs use to decide how much meat is right for your health, Mercola simply asks questions such as: How do you feel when you eat meat? And Do you like dark meat of white meat? (This is like asking a smoker if he feels better after he smokes to determine how much smoking is good for his health.)

He divides people into three categories: protein type (meat lovers), carbo types (veggie and grain lovers), and mixed type (everyone else). Mercola claims that to feel great and avoid disease and obesity, you must know your unique type. Mercola does not think avoiding meat is a good idea for most people because their metabolic type indicates that red meat is needed and good for them. He explains that while the Atkins diet is good because of its recognition of the glycemic index of food, it is not as good as his diet, which takes into account your metabolic (self) typing.

Confusion of ideas

Mercola's views on diet and health fail Nutrition 101: too much science contradicts him. But not everything he says is incorrect. He correctly points out that most vegetarians may not have excellent health because of their overdependence on grains. The literature is abundant with evidence that demonstrates that the foods with the best correlation with longer life and resistance against later-life diseases are vegetables, beans, raw seeds, fruit, and raw nuts.

Notice that grains are not included on the list. Eliminating animal products and continuing the consumption of processed grain foods is not a recipe for health or longevity. The bottom line is most vegetarians are unhealthy: they eat too much processed food. Whole grains are not nutrient-rich foods. They can form a minor part of your diet, but when they are baked, fried, toasted, shot out of cannons or otherwise processed or adulterated, they become low-nutrient junk foods that are powerfully disease-promoting.

There is good science to back up Mercola's contention that some people are not going to get all of their nutritional needs met on a vegan diet and will need to add supplements to make their diet complete or even eat small amounts of animal products.

There are two very critical areas where Mercola departs from universally accepted science. First, if you add the large amounts of animal products he recommends (including red meat and butter)-and especially the large amounts he recommends for his "protein-type"-you will have a diet that powerfully promotes heart disease and cancer. There is no genetic "type" that has immunity from such a high-saturated fat, disease-causing diet.

All Americans, not just some, develop atherosclerosis when they eat a diet so high in animal products. Over 90% of Americans eventually develop atherosclerosis and hypertension from the low intake of unprocessed vegetable, fruits, beans, nuts and seeds, and high intake of animals products. Diets like the ones Mercola recommends-especially if they include processed foods-also lead to premature death from heart attacks or stroke.

The second critical departure is that his metabolic typing questionnaire is not an accurate way to determine a person's nutritional needs. When he advises his "protein type" to eat a diet in which most calories are supplied by animal products, he is appealing to that person's food preferences and addictions. The more you crave something and the worse you feel when you stop consuming it, the more likely that you are addicted to it and that it is harming you, not helping. Encouraging people who are addicted to meat or other animal products to eat more of them will lead to even shorter life spans.

No need to be vegan

Keep in mind, I am not arguing that a person who eats no animal products (a vegan) will be healthier or will lead a longer life than one who eats small amounts of animal products (such as a small amount of fish or eggs). What I am pointing out s that as animal products increase in the diet (and natural plant foods are forced off the plate), the modern diseases that kill over 80 per cent of Americans (heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes) will occur in greater and greater likelihood in every genetic type.

My review of over 60,000 articles in the scientific literature supports the conclusion that if animal products are consumed they should constitute no more that 10% of total caloric intake. Remember, animal products are high in calories and very low in nutrients-per-calorie compared with vegetables. The higher animal product consumption compared to a vegetable-based diet, the lower the nutrient intake. The typical American gets 40% of total calories from animal products (those on the Zone and South Beach diets get 60%, and Adkins adherents get 80%). Mercola's high protein type diet is in the 60-80% range. Diets like these are extremely high in dangerous fats and extremely low in nutrients and phytonutrients.

Unscientific double talk

Mercola and other adherents of the "saturated fat is good for you" myth produce articles with supposedly scientific references. But the writers either quote the same bunch of people (each other) and ignore a ton of modern reputable research, or they distort what is said in legitimate studies in order to hold on to the myth that saturated fat is okay and not related to heart-disease.

These fiction writers all use the same distorted logic when they contend that the consumption of trans fats is responsible for heart attacks, not saturated fats. Trans fats have been processed to saturate their carbon bonds so they mimic saturated fats, but just because trans fats are bad or worse does not make saturated fats good.

Mercola tries to make his bad advice sound scientific. He states:

Some of you might be watching your weight and be rather hesitant to add butter into your diet. Have no fear. About 15% of fatty acids in butter are of the short and medium chain variety, which are NOT stored as fat in the body but are used by the vital organs for energy.

Of course, you have to buy the special butter that Mercola recommends, the "good quality" butter. In much the same way, he contends that you can eat meat and not increase your chances of disease by eating "grass fed" beef. These arguments remind me of a patient who told me that he wouldn't get lung cancer because he used "high quality" tobacco, grown without pesticides.

These laughable "good quality" exceptions can't withstand scientific scrutiny. To make these arguments you have to overlook all the data that show that it is not merely the barbecued meat or processed or commercial meats that are linked to heart attack and cancer, it is other important features that are present in grass-fed beef as well.

Colon cancer connections

Let's review just a few of the scientific studies on colon cancer. A study examining meat consumption over many years prior to the diagnosis of cancer illustrated that prolonged high consumption of red and processed meat increases (more than doubles) the risk of colon cancer. In this study, even two to three ounces of red meat per day increased risks significantly.1

Two other studies identify the mechanism by which red meat promotes colon cancer. Since red meat contains no fiber, it remains in the gut much longer than fiber-filled foods. The studies describe the biochemical effects of this slower transit time, including heightened exposure to red meat's nitrogenous metabolites. In other words, red meat's slower transit time in the bowel promotes prolonged exposure to these carcinogenic compounds (naturally occurring N-nitroso compounds) when a larger percentage of the diet is made of animal products rather than plant materials. Another important mechanism reported was the high haem content of red meat, because dietary haem increased cytolytic (cell-killing) activity and colonic epithelial proliferation, this explaining why red meat is more colon cancer promoting compared to fish or chicken.

Understanding the ingredients of a nutrient-sufficient diet is critical for the health seeker. Longevity and disease protection are the ultimate goals of dietary advice; but when you settle for second class advice, you doom yourself not only to a shorter life, but to a lower quality life-especially in your later years, as you suffer with medical problems that could have been avoided.

References
1. Chao A. Thun JT. Connell CJ. Et al. Meat Consumption and Risk of Colorectal Cancer JAMA. 2005;293:172-182.
2. Sesink AL, Termont DS, Kleibeuker JH, Van der Meer R. Red meat and colon cancer: dietary haem-induced colonic cytotoxicity and epithelial hyperproliferation are inhibited by calcium. Carcinogenesis 2001; 22(10):1653-9. Hughes R; Cross AJ, Pollock JR, Bingham S. Dose-dependent effect of dietary meat on endogenous colonic N-nitrosation. Carcinogenesis 2001; 22(1):199-202



Do primitive peoples really live longer?

No. For example, Innuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer that the overall Canadian population. 1 Similar statistics are available for the high meat-consuming Maasai in Kenya. They eat a diet high in wild hunted meats and have the worst life expectancy in the modern world. Life expectancy is 45 years for women and 42 years for men. African researchers report that historically Maasai rarely lived beyond age 60. Adult mortality figures on the Kenyan Maasai show that they have a 50% chance of dying before the age of 59.2

We now know that greatly increasing the consumption of vegetables, legumes, fruits, and raw nuts and seeds (and greatly decreasing the consumption of animal products) offers profound increased longevity potential, due in large part to the broad symphony of life-extending phytochemical nutrients that a vegetable-based diet contains. By taking advantage of the year-round availability of high-quality plant foods, we have a unique opportunity to live both healthier and longer than ever before in human history.

References:
1. Iburg KM, Brennum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scan J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12
2. http://www.kenya.za.net/maasai-cycles-of-life.html, http://www.who.int/countries/ken/en/



Legitimate Concerns for Vegans

There are some plausible reasons why a person might think that people should include some animal products in their diets. Even if they did not kill and eat animals, small insect metter and bacteria were always present on wild food. Modern washed and sanitized food even makes a natural, whole-foods vegan diet incomplete. There are three weaknesses of a vegan diet:

* Plant foods contain no vitamin B12 (which all vegan should take).
* Some vegans have a need for more taurine (or other amino acids) and may not get optimal amounts with a vegan diet. A blood test can be checked to assure adequacy.
* Some vegans may not produce ideal levels of DHA fat from the conversion of short-chain omega-3 fats found in such foods as flax and walnuts. I advocate that people who do not eat fish should supplement with DHA or get a blood test to assure adequacy.These are three areas of potential deficiency on a vegan diet are easily remedied by taking supplements. Obviously, there are loads of advantages of a vegetarian diet that also should be considered, but that is not the topic for this article. A poorly designed vegetarian diet or one that is not supplemented properly with vitamin B12 and vitamin D (the sunshine vitamin) can be dangerous. However, these considerations cannot be used as an argument to justify dietary recommendations
that include lots of high-saturated fat animal products.

I advocate a diet rich in micronutrients, especially antioxidants and phytochemicals, and the largest percentage of everyone's diet must be from unrefined plant foods-no matter what your genetic "type."

In order to do this, you must understand the nutrient density of all foods and eat more foods higher on the nutrient density scale. (Animal products are very low in nutrient density.) This nutrient per calorie density principle is what my book Eat to Live is about.

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/t ... ation.html

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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by CitrusHigh » June 1st, 2011, 12:29 pm

Firstly, I would absolutely expect someone who is eating a lot of cooked meat to develop disease. Cooking meat turns a life giving food in to poison.

Second, I think the author is cherry picking a few exceptions in regards to hunter gatherers, and diet is not the only variable to consider in life expectancy. Hippos, lions and other tribes can take a big toll on the population. Similarly, in a northern latitude where people aren't getting the midday sun they need for vitamin d production all year round (an absolutely critical vitamin along with A and K for tooth and bone health) If they aren't getting it through diet, then they are fucked, and it's a difficult one to get from diet! (fermented cod liver oil anyone? Why yes, as a matter of fact I take the stuff year round, I also don't get sick, ever, period.)

Third, Price did not emphasize raw animal foods enough, Pricer's are always advertising the benefits of animal foods, but mostly cooked and they wonder why they still experience sickness and disease??!?!?! Duuuhhhhhhmmmbbbasses. It's funny because I belong to a listserv that is WAPF based, and they will go on and on about raw milk and how wonderful it is, but ohhhh ma gosh, raw meat (except paradoxically for a few socially acceptable dishes like tartar and sushi) and it's "you're going to get sick and die from that!" hahaha, when will people learn to think?

Price was on the right track, but still did not quite get it.

Further more, your article worships at the alter of mainstream medicine and science, two disciplines that are so incredibly arrogant, ignorant (of reality!) and biased based typically on wherever the funding is coming from, that it is almost laughable that you present it as evidence.

Please don't consider any of the above insults, I'm just a little confused since I thought we agreed that mainstream medicine was pretty much bunk?!?!

Time will bear out what I am claiming, and eventually it will become one of the greatest shames of our time to have cooked our food and expected not to get sick. There is no cure for cancer, the body is designed to be healthy, it is toxins that cause pretty well all disease. Once you begin to eat right (and live right), the Medical industrial complex evaporates because your health isn't even on your mind, because you are perfectly healthy! Think about a world with no doctors, no veterinarians, no chiropractors, no pharmaceuticals. That is the world I'm offering. Disease is not natural, it is a product of mutant lifestyles. Ask the aborigines, haha even they're mutants and they don't even know it! But they recognize everyone else' mutation.

For more info see rawpaleoforum.com for people walking the talk, and judge for yourself if what I've said is true. If so, you should see people who talk about terminal illness as if it's the common cold, a little tweaking in the diet and poof, gone. Look to see if their chronic maladies don't evaporate when they move on to the diet, pay special attention to the journals, especially people new to the diet, who try it and all of a sudden are feeling healthier in a few days than they have in years!



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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by CitrusHigh » June 1st, 2011, 5:14 pm

Uģis! I forgot to say thanks for the link you posted, that was a fun read, thank you~!

A few other things I'm just remembering.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that you can't get all your nutrition from plants without resorting to technology to press out oils and this and that... Do you really think a loving creator would have created you without the means to easily achieve the full spectrum of nutrient intake and attain optimal health?

Your natural diet should be easily attainable with very primitive technology (and really zero, except perhaps learning to throw rocks), and I argue that it is.

Also, if you peruse the journals of the aforementioned forum, rawpaleoforum.com, you should notice how many ex-vegans their are who suffered terribly, and most of them will say that they persevered and tried to toy with it to get it right, because other vegans would tell them that they weren't doing it right, but to no avail.



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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by UG » June 2nd, 2011, 4:34 am

Yeah, man. I can't get all my nutrition from plants, because for 6 months every year there's only snow and ice all around. Tried veganism for couple months, but went back to eating meat quickly after I started getting cramps in my legs. Don't know what exactly caused that though. My diet now is simply to avoid anything unnatural as much as possible. Chemicals, pesticides, gmo, radiation etc. none of that stuff. :cool2011



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Re: Raw Animal Foods

Unread post by I AM ALL I AM » June 2nd, 2011, 5:51 am

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G'day CitrusHigh. :wave (TH)

A correction to what I earlier posted ... it is the carnivore that has the shorter intestinal tract.


CitrusHigh wrote:Firstly, I would absolutely expect someone who is eating a lot of cooked meat to develop disease. Cooking meat turns a life giving food in to poison.


Meat is in a state of degeneration as soon as the host is 'killed', whether it is later cooked or not. Why put something in your physicality that is putrefying ?

Is your physicality designed to eat meat ?


Meat-eaters: have claws

Herbivores: no claws

Humans: no claws


Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue

Herbivores: perspire through skin pores

Humans: perspire through skin pores


Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding

Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding


Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly

Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.


Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat

Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater


Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.

Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits

Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits


Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

CitrusHigh wrote:Second, I think the author is cherry picking a few exceptions in regards to hunter gatherers, and diet is not the only variable to consider in life expectancy. Hippos, lions and other tribes can take a big toll on the population. Similarly, in a northern latitude where people aren't getting the midday sun they need for vitamin d production all year round (an absolutely critical vitamin along with A and K for tooth and bone health) If they aren't getting it through diet, then they are fucked, and it's a difficult one to get from diet! (fermented cod liver oil anyone? Why yes, as a matter of fact I take the stuff year round, I also don't get sick, ever, period.)


Personally, I think that there is a lot of cherry picking full stop. This doesn't detract from the points that are made though.

Have you heard of the Aquatic Ape theory ?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2609

So who says that we evolved from hunter gatherers ?

Would that be scientists ?


CitrusHigh wrote:Third, Price did not emphasize raw animal foods enough, Pricer's are always advertising the benefits of animal foods, but mostly cooked and they wonder why they still experience sickness and disease??!?!?! Duuuhhhhhhmmmbbbasses. It's funny because I belong to a listserv that is WAPF based, and they will go on and on about raw milk and how wonderful it is, but ohhhh ma gosh, raw meat (except paradoxically for a few socially acceptable dishes like tartar and sushi) and it's "you're going to get sick and die from that!" hahaha, when will people learn to think?

Price was on the right track, but still did not quite get it.


And some would state that no one should advocate raw animal foods at all.

Why should anyone's diet consist of meat at all, whether raw or cooked ?

Others advocate not cooking food above a certain temperature. Some promote fermented foods. Some are fruitarians. Some eat seasonally. Some eat from 'signs in nature' specifically to nourish parts of the physicality that the foods correspond with.


CitrusHigh wrote:Further more, your article worships at the alter of mainstream medicine and science, two disciplines that are so incredibly arrogant, ignorant (of reality!) and biased based typically on wherever the funding is coming from, that it is almost laughable that you present it as evidence.


Actually, it isn't my article. It's by by Joel Fuhrman MD, as noted at the beginning of the article.

It IS evidence, whether you like to think so or not.


The Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF), co-founded in 1999 by Sally Fallon (Morell) and nutritionist Mary G. Enig (PhD), is a U.S. 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to "restoring nutrient-dense foods to the American diet through education, research and activism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation

The Weston A Price Foundation is a non-profit organisation ... in other words, it has ties to the Rockefeller Foundation. The Rockefeller's are also the ones that set up the modern medical system and the institutions that teach and train medical practitioners.

Weston A Price didn't even set up the Foundation, food activists Sally Fallon and Mary G. Enig did.


CitrusHigh wrote:Please don't consider any of the above insults, I'm just a little confused since I thought we agreed that mainstream medicine was pretty much bunk?!?!


It's a-okay, nothing you could do could insult me, only I can do that to me. (W)

Simply because the predominant (mainstream) medicine is "pretty much bunk", doesn't mean that it is ALL "pretty much bunk". I prefer not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and will assess each piece of information on its own merits, no matter where it comes from.


CitrusHigh wrote:Time will bear out what I am claiming, and eventually it will become one of the greatest shames of our time to have cooked our food and expected not to get sick. There is no cure for cancer, the body is designed to be healthy, it is toxins that cause pretty well all disease. Once you begin to eat right (and live right), the Medical industrial complex evaporates because your health isn't even on your mind, because you are perfectly healthy! Think about a world with no doctors, no veterinarians, no chiropractors, no pharmaceuticals. That is the world I'm offering. Disease is not natural, it is a product of mutant lifestyles. Ask the aborigines, haha even they're mutants and they don't even know it! But they recognize everyone else' mutation.


Really ?!?!?

I cook food, yet I haven't been sick for well over the twelve years that I have avoided eating animal products. Am I an exception to your rule ?

There most definitely is cures available for cancer. You might like to check some of them out that have been posted on this forum, they are in the CANCER sub-forum ...

viewforum.php?f=85

... you can even watch one cure that I've uploaded at this link ...

One Answer To Cancer
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=C39P1TLX

... though there are others available in the CANCER sub-forum as well. (TU)

Do you consider sitting in front of a computer and typing to be a part of "mutant lifestyles" ?

How about living in a house, driving a motor vehicle, or using public transport ?


CitrusHigh wrote:For more info see rawpaleoforum.com for people walking the talk, and judge for yourself if what I've said is true. If so, you should see people who talk about terminal illness as if it's the common cold, a little tweaking in the diet and poof, gone. Look to see if their chronic maladies don't evaporate when they move on to the diet, pay special attention to the journals, especially people new to the diet, who try it and all of a sudden are feeling healthier in a few days than they have in years!


Considering that the China Study (the largest nutritional study ever done - 10,000+ people) shows that animal protein 'turns on' cancer cells, why would I believe these people ?

Do they have verifiable documented evidence to present ?

Or is it all unverifiable personal testimonials ?


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